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hello and welcome to the show of martin

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willis your host and you can see uh for

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those of you watching this on video um

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right out on a deck over the ocean right

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where uh mark right in the area where

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mark d'antonio used to spend time as a

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child um up here on the coast of maine

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i'll be bringing him in in just a minute

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so this is sort of a last minute

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special type show the show i had earl

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earlier this week did not go well i did

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not uh put it out uh there so this is a

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one hour show i i'd like to do a show

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every week and uh so i contacted my good

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friend mark d'antonio and said hey what

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about doing a show in a couple of hours

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he said fine about what i don't know

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let's just talk so we are going to touch

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on or at least i'll try to there's

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really not a whole lot to say but we'll

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touch on the

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uh congressional uh public hearing

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uh that's gonna happen next tuesday

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maybe i'll know a lot more about it on

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tuesday

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after it happens trying to find

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information about it it's not real easy

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so i want to thank everyone out there

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that listens to the show i want to thank

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all the supporters and anyone can do

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that the uh support link is right on our

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website podcast ufo.com

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and let me announce the uh

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charles lear did

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the virginia uh blog the week before

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so he did he got interested in this

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whole thing that's been happening down

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in

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brazil so he wrote this one uh it's

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violent ufo encounters in brazil and

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it's a fascinating one i i am familiar

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with this one i had heard about it um

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years ago never really looked really

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deeply into it but it's it's a good one

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and by the way charles o'lear has who's

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been writing these blogs all all these

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years

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has written a book and it's going to be

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published

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on june 1st so he's going to be a guest

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in mid-june sometime and before i forget

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next week we have

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sean cahill from the

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princeton

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he was the chief at arms

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and overseeing that whole tic tac ufo uh

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incident he'll be on next week well i

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did reach out to lu elizondo today to

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see if perhaps he could be

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um on the show for just a couple of

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minutes and talk about what he thought

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about the uap

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uh going live and hearing going live

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next weekend he's in washington dc he

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was not available today and that's

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unfortunate but next best thing we got

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mark d antonio

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how are you mark next best thing

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all right the best thing yeah oh no

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you're right yeah we we all make our we

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all um have our place right so uh it's

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it's that's right well it's nice to see

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you martin

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and i i see you're up there in

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attendance harbor i am yep and uh we

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were talking off yeah how i know it's

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really probably gonna drive people crazy

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but now there is a main accent and they

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do talk a lot like this

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that's true yeah yeah yeah they do and

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uh here's my main hat right here yeah

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yeah yeah yeah i used to go lobstering

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off that coast there and

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spend a lot of time out there in the

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ocean with the boats and

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hanging out there and getting seasick

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because i'm a land living not uh

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well you know that's a lot i got a dock

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this year for my boat and i just found

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out that the boat yard has wi-fi so you

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know what that means don't you you're

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going to be on your boat doing doing the

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again last year was a disaster because

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the wi-fi was the hotspot on my phone

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and it ate up data really quick and went

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dead in the middle

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in the middle of a show

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and yeah it was interesting but yeah

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should be a great summer up here um it's

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really beautiful right now

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and uh i love it up here on the coast

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anywhere on the coast is good is that

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long even long sleeves or short sleeves

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i'm in long sleeves but it was uh it was

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actually hot out here on the deck today

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yeah i believe it i believe it yeah it's

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um it's about uh 75 here today actually

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it's uh yeah it's spring day

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that's right

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and so i want to talk about a whole

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bunch of things i know i've watched a

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couple of your streams that you do your

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sky watches out in arizona remotely

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which is fantastic but uh for right now

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i don't know if you had a chance to read

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but you know there

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there is let me pull this up there is a

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a report

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that is i mean a hearing that is going

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to be public

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which is coming up

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on tuesday you know and there's not

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probably not really a lot to know right

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now um you know and i really have to

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caution people this is probably

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uh going to be disappointing to a lot of

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people out there that are thinking wow

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you know we're going to be talking we're

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going to hear be hearing about aliens

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and you know the encounters are from

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another planet or something like that

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and i'm i think that um they're probably

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more or less going to

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focus on in this public hearing you know

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what are the safety

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what are the safety issues that these

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things may be causing first i think

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what they're going to get in there and

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uh here's a uh this is a quote i'm just

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going to read right here the federal

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government and intelligence community

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have a critical role to play in

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contextualizing and analyzing reports

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said representative adam schiff of

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california a democrat who is the

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chairman of the house intelligence

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committee he said the purpose of the

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hearing was to illuminate one of the

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great mysteries of our time and break

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the cycle of excessive secrecy and

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speculation with truth and transparency

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uh i think that's a pretty good

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a statement right there and you know

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what what what this will

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the openness if there is indeed openness

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you know that it's better for them

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because it's going to eliminate a lot of

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conspiracy

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theories and you know that aliens are

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bottled in the basement of the pentagon

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or something you know

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that the aliens were

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being penned in down in the

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pentagon or any black site whatsoever i

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uh and i can't say for sure

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but the odds are really really stacked

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against it right but let's be clear um

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i'm an astronomer i believe that life

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exists out there and i actually think it

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may have made its way here so is it

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illogical to think that they wouldn't

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be here wouldn't be

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in our space

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occupying our space no it's not

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illogical

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but we do have to use the rigorous

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application of science in order to find

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it because let's be honest it's the

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rigorous application of science that

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makes any of the great strides on the

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planet right

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it is true

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you can't think your way

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um and and and summon aliens and and

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just expect them to

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have a kumbaya moment with you just

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because you think it's so i mean

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we need to do more than that and you

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know whether that process works or not

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it isn't a process that at this point in

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our science and our understanding

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is an acceptable manner

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to prove the existence or the

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intelligence that might be among us

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yes whereas i like science and i adhere

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i am open to the other things but

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again if they're really far-reaching uh

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i don't know what that means i've seen

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sessions

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where people are marveling over

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satellites that are tumbling and they're

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blinking and they shine a laser and

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think that they're shining back at them

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and show them a dashed line on my camera

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going across the sky as a tumbling

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satellite have you actually gone to one

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of those and and did this yeah actually

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i i've yeah this one i

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my my friend donna was at one and was

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telling me basically the same thing

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and then um one of the nights she went

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it was foggy and rainy and they said the

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invisible uh craft had landed in the

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what are you going to say about that

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people that are paying big money to see

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these things right i mean

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yeah see so here's where i get here i

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really really have a problem okay

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if it's a protocol that works

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um then it should be for all humanity it

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shouldn't be for only those who can

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afford it

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yeah okay and so i get really bent out

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of shape when charlatans come along and

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claim that they're the conduit through

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which these

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beings talk billy meyer for instance

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that's baloney billy meyer is a faker

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and a liar okay sorry but that's true

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that's well there's so much evidence for

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that um mark is not just throwing this

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out there there is tons of evidence um

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that he is faking many many things i

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don't make flipping statements you know

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that um

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you know for the ce5 protocols

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i've watched charlatans calling in ufos

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that were actually flares

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off the coast proven flares

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and everybody left thinking wow that was

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a good i spent two thousand dollars and

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i got my money's worth no you do you

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mean are you mark are you trying to tell

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me that someone set off the flares

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purposely like

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in concert with this situation

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no one knows for sure i just know that

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in this particular location

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there was a flare exercise going on off

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the coast

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it was kind of coincidental that they

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were also doing the ce5

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knowing maybe knowing that the flares

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were going to go off and thus those

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flares would become the object of

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attention let's be clear if you ever saw

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one i've seen flare drops many of them

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okay right over my head actually

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um fighters from luke air force base

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were flying over my head and i was in

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the arizona desert and dropping flares

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right over my head

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you know and they are an unearthly

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orange they look really really

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unbelievably

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unreal this looks surreal and it's a

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beautiful it's a beautiful color it's a

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beautiful

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uh and i can understand why people would

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would feel that way right yeah um

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so

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but i do know that this particular one

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that was done off florida that was a

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well-known documented flare drop and and

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it ended up becoming uh

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you know absconded with as a ce5 success

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and i thought that was a blatant lie and

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the worst thing they could do to people

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so right people liked it all the time

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right that try to you know play off

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things that

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may not be true so this is why

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people need to remain skeptical

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they need to remain skeptical that's why

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you know knowing your facts knowing your

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science can help you

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um

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well i will i will talk a little bit you

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and i had talked briefly um why you're

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here one of the reasons you're here is

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because i

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decided i made um a tough choice

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um and decided to not post the podcast

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that i had earlier um on tuesday now i'm

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i've been in touch with both people uh

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preston dennett i really uh i almost

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consider him a friend i mean he's a very

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very nice guy

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um and uh

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so we're we're good

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um but his guest that was with him was

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making outrageous claims

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and uh when they got to the point where

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i thought they were a little bit

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dangerous then i decided to end the show

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early and i decided to

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eliminate the show and so anyway uh

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i'm not going to get into the details

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too much but it just

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is just you know

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right off the bat one of the first

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things she said was she was basically

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piloting

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the ufos and going through the rings of

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saturn and you know all these type of

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things and you know what i stopped her

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and said

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uh you realize what you're saying here

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and

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how you know how do you expect a

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listener to believe that well you know i

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did get some email from people that were

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very upset that i took it down that were

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listening um that were you know involved

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in the whole situation someone kind of

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has told me that i have something

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against experiencers and what's wrong

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with me almost like pulling a card on me

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so it has nothing to do with that i just

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if you have to be skeptical i like to

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keep this show clean as much as i can

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and uh

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it's very simple it it really comes down

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to this

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people make these extraordinary claims

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but they don't provide the necessary

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extraordinary proof

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yeah

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and

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when people say trust me

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all right or when people say you know

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no honestly okay those are preparatory

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words for something that's to come

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and

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they're they're trying to

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possibly you know pull something off on

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you not even if they they may not even

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realize it there are people that

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actually do believe that they do these

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things and so they would pass a

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polygraph

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life for my work and i can tell you

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they're not hard to i mean they're

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they're hard to uh to to uh

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they're hard to fake they're hard to to

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uh

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pass with flying colors if you try to

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lie um so

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i know that it can be done people have

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done it right but i can tell you that

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um

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you know listening to someone say those

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things the next thing you want to say is

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fantastic that sounds fantastic

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let me see the proof

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let me see the videos

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on your ship uh let me meet the aliens

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who are they and yeah talk to them

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i more or less said something

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those lines um when she was

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she said well i have science to back

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this up and i said

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i stopped her right there i said well

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let's hear about the science and she

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shifted and shifted in her seat and she

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said well this guy's not actually a

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scientist

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but he's got a youtube channel and

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that was kind of uh that was kind of

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enough you know enough uh anyway

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that that goes to whenever someone says

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their proof is a youtube video

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yeah

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that becomes problematic

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well you know like i said i said that i

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have said that many times not that

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everyone is not that not that every

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youtube video is a lie because they're

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not yeah that's right there are some

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youtube videos that tell wonderful

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truths scientific accuracy uh not so

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scientific but accurate and so um

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you you just have to

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well you have to do what's missing with

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a lot of people these days and that's

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critically think

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yeah

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be

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aware

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of

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you have to ask questions

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yeah and when it comes to youtube videos

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you know you're

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it's so tough because there are such

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good

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fakes out there too and

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you know i mean the cgi is only going to

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get

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if you want to ask questions please post

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them

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like this gentleman did right here uh i

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don't know if mark would like to comment

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on this or not what's your opinion on

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bledsoe

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chris paletso

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yeah i don't actually have an opinion on

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blood so i have uh stayed a little bit

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away from that because

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i want to remain focused on the science

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of

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image

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analysis and video analysis and i

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haven't done

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anything with let's sew for blood so

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and have no opinion on

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on chris bledsoe at the moment but

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uh that may change

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yeah now uh mark i sent you a picture

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the other day did you happen to do you

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know that picture are you familiar with

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that picture

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yeah was that the one from costa rica

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or i believe i believe it's

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costa rica somewhere in south america

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there was

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yeah um

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and i'm gonna pull that up here and uh

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so people will understand what we're

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talking about here but you know i mean i

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remember seeing this years ago uh when i

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first was starting to look into the ufo

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topic and i wondered about i said that

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that's just too good to be true um and

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when something's too good to be true

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that's usually what it is um so

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sometimes yeah you're right and but you

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can't

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blinders on either you know and

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and and just say this is a ufo

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absolutely but you also can't say it's

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not a ufo absolutely you've got to give

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it a chance right

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every piece of evidence i see

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i don't make a determination by looking

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at it and just saying oh well just you

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know making a pronouncement

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that's ignorance and that doesn't do it

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that does everybody a disservice who's

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who yeah didn't know it there's

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definitely enough of that out there yeah

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there's plenty of that out there you

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know

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but um

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um yeah if you bring up the picture

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again yeah i had to convert the file so

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i'm just working on as we go anyway um

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this photo proports to show a a disc ufo

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in a photograph an aerial photograph

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uh and um i

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can't remember they were doing aerial

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photography yes

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they were it was a topic no it was a

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topographical topographic uh they were

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looking at a lake the some type of

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condition of a lake okay and uh here it

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is right here

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and there it is um i will post this for

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those of you who are listening just to

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just audio i'll post this in the show

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notes or somewhere uh i'm not sure if we

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can have a lot of show notes but anyway

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here it is now for those of you seeing

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this visually

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and it's

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you know i mean it's perfect angle this

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is from overhead about 10 000 feet now

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this is zoomed it appears to be zoomed

519
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but um so the the plane was flying about

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ten thousand feet and it was uh

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shooting directly down to get the layout

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of the topographical

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um conditions of the lake

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and so that disc is i don't know i mean

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can you do you see anything in it that

526
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makes it look like it was really there

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according to

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what came out is that um this is

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directly from an original negative and

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it had not been toyed with i don't know

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i

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um

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i ask all kinds of questions uh could it

534
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be what's called a concoidal fracture in

535
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the cover on the camera could it be um

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some type of oil droplet inside the

537
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housing perhaps could it be something

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else i mean you see that

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to the upper right of the of that thing

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you actually see this stark black line

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right

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um oh yes i see it

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is that actually a

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um

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reflection

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of the horizon

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uh reflected in this

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object whatever it is um

549
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you know so there's a lot of

550
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a lot of questions i have

551
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but

552
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none of the questions end with

553
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it's definitely a ufo no no no with a

554
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statement that says it's definitely ufo

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um

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they all they all just ask more

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questions and i've seen this thing many

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many years ago it's got to be

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what 25 years old or something i think

560
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it was from that i think it was from

561
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1975 but don't quote me on that i'm not

562
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100 sure yeah so i'm not sure what i

563
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would like to know is

564
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um from the same camera i want to see

565
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,760
the next frame and the previous exactly

566
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:59,440
so where are those

567
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,480
yeah

568
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,400
and you know if you look at it really

569
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,000
carefully

570
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:06,240
you can see that it has what looks like

571
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:09,039
a distinctive shape the only problem i

572
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:10,559
have with it is

573
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,799
um if you look

574
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,400
if you look at it

575
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,880
uh there's an issue with it and that is

576
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,240
that

577
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:20,080
on the right side of it it's illuminated

578
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,799
by

579
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:22,400
what you would call the sun and if you

580
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:23,679
look on the ground you can see that the

581
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,840
sun is coming from the

582
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:27,520
the lower

583
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:32,480
below center right

584
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:35,360
and it's heading to upper left right

585
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:37,039
okay kind of thing at least that's how

586
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:38,640
it looks i'm trying to see it might be

587
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,520
uh

588
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:41,120
but if you look at the the brightness on

589
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,880
the ground okay and the shadows of the

590
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,960
trees it kind of shows you

591
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,720
where the light is coming from so you'd

592
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,200
expect a shadow on that or an

593
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:51,440
illuminated side and that on that lower

594
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:52,559
right side

595
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:54,640
what you would not expect is for it to

596
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:57,039
be illuminated on the upper left side

597
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,520
hmm you wouldn't expect that

598
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,000
uh that would be in

599
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:05,039
either shadow or much reduced brightness

600
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:07,360
so i'm not sure

601
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:11,039
uh you know what would actually work

602
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,400
in fact is if that's not a disc you're

603
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,120
looking at but a depression

604
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,960
if that was a depression into say the

605
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,640
glass or the housing then maybe this

606
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:21,840
would work

607
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:24,320
so but again the next frame would have

608
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:26,000
it as well as with the previous frame

609
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,679
and i don't think they would spend time

610
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,679
doing aerial photography

611
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,679
uh with the camera

612
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,360
if it's in a fixed

613
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:35,760
housing that has some kind of damage to

614
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,480
it they would fix that housing

615
00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:40,720
but if the camera was able to move

616
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:43,760
uh shot the shot in some way then maybe

617
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:45,679
uh they would move it over for the next

618
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,240
shot i don't know but either way uh the

619
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:50,400
lighting is wrong on it for the lighting

620
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,400
that's on the ground

621
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,480
well that makes sense and as someone

622
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:55,760
that does a little bit of painting you

623
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:57,200
always have to look at you know the

624
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:58,400
direction of

625
00:23:02,870 --> 00:22:59,679
the sunlight

626
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,880
um you know to make the shadowing work

627
00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:05,280
that's kind of what leads me

628
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,960
you know that's where that leads me in

629
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,480
fact that's where it led me years ago

630
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:10,400
when i looked at it for the first time

631
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,320
yeah no and i basically had to say well

632
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:16,159
geez i was hoping it'd be a smoking gun

633
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,320
but you know you can't you can't really

634
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:20,480
say it with any kind of definition and

635
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,280
that it's the the smoking gun the

636
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:25,520
quintessential ufo photograph because it

637
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:28,720
just isn't unfortunately yeah and is

638
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:30,960
there one

639
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:33,600
i think you and i had a conversation um

640
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:36,640
in phoenix or somewhere and

641
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:40,000
i asked you that question do you mark

642
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:41,679
everything you've looked at

643
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,720
have you seen like a smoking gun

644
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,279
photograph and you said there was one

645
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,760
that really

646
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,840
i'm waiting for the smoking gun but

647
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,240
you've seen one that was really good i

648
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:56,240
think you said something like that right

649
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,840
there was one

650
00:24:02,230 --> 00:23:59,760
video that i have yeah once a little

651
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,240
video clip it's three seconds long

652
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,799
but it is probably the one

653
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:06,799
which i think is

654
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,000
um

655
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:10,960
as close to a smoking gun possibility as

656
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:11,840
any

657
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:14,720
and that's the nick mariana footage

658
00:24:18,430 --> 00:24:17,440
uh and i believe that was montana in

659
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,440
oh yeah

660
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,559
1953 or something like that is that the

661
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:22,640
one near the towers or am i

662
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:23,600
yeah

663
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,080
that is quite

664
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,240
quite amazing if i remember right isn't

665
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:32,080
there three of them or something like

666
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:33,039
that

667
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:34,480
um

668
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,080
imagine this okay

669
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:38,000
you're there he was looking at a stadium

670
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,360
i forget what he was doing maybe a

671
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,720
sports writer or something i don't

672
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:42,400
remember the details yeah that's right

673
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:43,440
here

674
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:47,360
you remember i i think he had he was uh

675
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,640
i think

676
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,799
i thought it was navy

677
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:52,559
but maybe it was

678
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:54,080
there was one that would had something

679
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:55,600
to do with sports

680
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:56,720
um

681
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:57,600
yeah

682
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,960
so

683
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,559
this could be the one

684
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:02,240
i could be messing this up with details

685
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,039
but

686
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,360
one thing i'm not messing up is uh he

687
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,320
filmed this with a movie camera and he

688
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:10,080
managed to get three frames of these two

689
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:11,679
objects moving side by side through the

690
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:14,799
sky yeah and formation yes they went

691
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:16,000
behind

692
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,600
uh towers uh light towers whatever

693
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,600
they were in this location

694
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,880
and

695
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,240
so

696
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,480
when i looked at that

697
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,000
my first thought was okay what was

698
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:30,480
flying in the sky at that time

699
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,679
and

700
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:32,880
unless

701
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,320
we're being lied to uh there was nobody

702
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,240
in the air at that time uh

703
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:41,279
nothing in that direction at all

704
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,720
now

705
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:45,039
could that be wrong maybe right and you

706
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,919
gotta

707
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,600
reserve the right to think that maybe

708
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:49,919
they were wrong about it but

709
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,919
it was at a time when

710
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,240
we didn't have the best uh radar systems

711
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,720
like we do now but these two objects are

712
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,159
moving through the sky together and

713
00:26:01,590 --> 00:26:00,000
they're really really bright

714
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,600
now

715
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:03,440
um

716
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:04,720
let me see if i can find that while

717
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:07,440
we're talking about it and yeah yeah

718
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,559
you have to understand that these

719
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,799
objects might have

720
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,400
been in formation

721
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,480
flying together in the sky

722
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,240
and the thing that i like about this

723
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:18,720
case is that it doesn't

724
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,200
it does not have any kind of signature

725
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,000
of an astronomical object of any kind

726
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,159
okay when we see things in the sky that

727
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,919
seem to be moving through the sky

728
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:30,320
they're either satellites or they're

729
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:31,440
meteors

730
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:32,320
right

731
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,520
and these objects will do one of two

732
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:37,279
things they'll either move to the sky

733
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,159
and move relatively slowly

734
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:42,559
satellites or they'll move very quickly

735
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,480
to the sky

736
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,279
meteors but

737
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:49,440
satellites don't move as slow as these

738
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,720
things

739
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,480
don't move they don't move as fast as

740
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,840
these things did

741
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,600
and a meteor

742
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,520
that low in the atmosphere to be seen

743
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,360
during the day

744
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:01,279
would be something burning up in the

745
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:04,080
atmosphere being sunlit you'd see smoke

746
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:05,520
trailing behind it it would leave a

747
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,400
trail

748
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:08,320
and we didn't see that at all

749
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:10,640
right right and

750
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:12,080
at the time there wasn't a whole lot of

751
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,440
space junk to re-enter the earth's

752
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,600
atmosphere so and that also would have

753
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,240
left the trail behind of smoke

754
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:20,640
do you think that was like in the 1950s

755
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:23,520
yes it was yeah nick mariano

756
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:28,559
ariano okay m-a-r-i-a-n-o i believe

757
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,600
maria

758
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:31,600
no

759
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:32,640
try that

760
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:40,789
yeah oh well i thought i could find it

761
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,039
but i mean i have watched it a number of

762
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:45,520
times and unfortunately it's not easy to

763
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:48,159
get a hold of so if uh if you want to

764
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,600
check back anyone wants to check back

765
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:51,600
i'll try to put them in in the notes if

766
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:52,720
i find it

767
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:55,360
but yeah um i do remember that and there

768
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,360
was a similar one too off of uh

769
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,520
the island of catalin catalina island

770
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,520
off of california a very similar one do

771
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:05,120
you remember that

772
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,559
um

773
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:08,480
filming of i think it was another

774
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:14,830
a long time ago

775
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,840
also i i don't anyway i'm not gonna

776
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:19,919
bother to try to look for that because i

777
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,559
can't find this all right mourinho won

778
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,760
um

779
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:25,360
mariano yeah no

780
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:26,960
mariano i mean yeah i'm trying to find

781
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,200
it too i can't find it um which is odd

782
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:30,880
because

783
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,279
i uh found it like immediately when i

784
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,279
was looking for it you know

785
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:37,039
well you know the government erased it

786
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:38,720
right yeah that's what this oh yeah here

787
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:43,430
so yeah affect your mind up there your

788
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,039
intentions harbor

789
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:47,200
that's right sure

790
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:48,240
yeah

791
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:48,960
but

792
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,880
well um

793
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:52,480
yeah you were talking about that you can

794
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:54,799
say yup when you're breathing in and

795
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:02,389
yeah it's pretty funny yeah now are you

796
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,679
familiar with my cousins we're from

797
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,039
maine so i mean

798
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,600
uh anytime you went up there it was just

799
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,200
an argument about whose boat i was gonna

800
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,279
use when i was there for the month okay

801
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,279
because you didn't use your car you

802
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,960
parked it and you left it and we would

803
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,960
take the boat to go from port clyde over

804
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:18,720
to friendship main

805
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,440
and we would go the friendship for

806
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:23,520
dinner or get stuff

807
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:25,919
uh we'd go to my cousin's

808
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:28,960
general store in downtown port clyde

809
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,110
yeah um

810
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:37,679
linda owns everything up here yeah yeah

811
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:41,760
llb yeah yeah and thank you my cousin's

812
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:43,120
my cousin's

813
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:45,919
house was right there on the uh jetty

814
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,520
it's the house that's uh right across

815
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,360
the street from the jetty going on that

816
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:51,919
beautiful dark and park clyde there

817
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,799
you go poor cloud there yeah

818
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,559
yeah yeah there's right behind me is a

819
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:59,120
scallop boat i've been looking at that

820
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:00,320
all winter

821
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:03,520
yeah uh here's a question um

822
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,039
for sure wants me to ask you about the

823
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,600
swedish winter clip from 2012 are you

824
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:09,360
familiar with that one

825
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,039
uh swedish winter clip um

826
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,840
no let me look that up because so um i'm

827
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:17,520
gonna ask this if anyone wants to do

828
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,559
something like uh ask a question

829
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,520
about that um if you can find a link and

830
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,679
post a link at the same time i'd be able

831
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:27,600
to pull it up and look at it

832
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:31,840
um so uh jay allen you are asking if the

833
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,559
virginia uh video is out it will be out

834
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,559
within a couple of months um i did see

835
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:38,880
the screener talking about the norwegian

836
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,679
spiral video wasn't he oh the norwegian

837
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:43,840
spiral video that's a failed launch

838
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,919
right is that yeah actually i called

839
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,640
that

840
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,320
upon seeing it i called it as a failed

841
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:50,159
rocket launch probably

842
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:51,440
a ballistic missile launch from a

843
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,919
submarine based on where it was

844
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,679
and everybody just just

845
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,600
roundly criticized me and called me an

846
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:59,840
idiot and all these famous choice words

847
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:02,720
which i laughed at and two days later it

848
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,120
was announced that indeed it was a a

849
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,880
rocket that had to get blown up uh

850
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,720
launched from a submarine

851
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,559
yeah and um

852
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,640
guess what i never heard anyone say gee

853
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:14,320
i'm sorry for all those bad things i

854
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,679
said about you and i had to laugh

855
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,120
because

856
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,799
are always quick to criticize but then

857
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:20,640
they go and hide in the dark when it's

858
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,519
time to apologize right yeah yeah that's

859
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:25,600
okay well

860
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,720
you're doing

861
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:29,279
uh the good work of

862
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,480
someone that is really you know keeping

863
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:34,960
uh everything clean in a way you know i

864
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,360
mean there are so many times when you

865
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:39,519
could certainly jump to conclusion about

866
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,480
something

867
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:42,159
you know i

868
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,760
i always appreciate it uh i just got to

869
00:31:49,549 --> 00:31:46,960
tell

870
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:49,559
everyone this i think it was a

871
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:52,240
2017 or something like that when we were

872
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,679
both out in

873
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,120
phoenix

874
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,039
was that the year

875
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,440
i had uh yes i had

876
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:02,080
drove all the way to

877
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:05,200
phoenix from maine

878
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,559
and uh somewhere out in the desert

879
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,720
i was taking a picture of the desert and

880
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,320
i got the picture

881
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:15,440
and i'm looking and there's a disc in

882
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,559
the picture

883
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:18,320
and so i showed it to you on we were

884
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,919
just sitting around in phoenix and it

885
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:21,279
showed it's what do you think of this

886
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:22,640
picture right here

887
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,600
and you're looking at it and you're

888
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,000
looking at it really close and you say

889
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,799
it almost looks like you have something

890
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,399
on the window

891
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:32,399
so i went to the car like a little bit

892
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,919
later on i went to the car and sure

893
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:35,919
enough there was a little piece of

894
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:37,039
grass

895
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,320
on the window on that was stuck to it at

896
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:42,399
an at an angle that yeah

897
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,600
very much

898
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:45,600
pretty good

899
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:48,720
i'd rather know and i i think

900
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:51,679
you know uh i think most people would

901
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,799
rather know i i would hope so

902
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,640
in in general i think that's right

903
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,000
martin because

904
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:59,840
um

905
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,080
you know again i don't know everything i

906
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:04,080
don't know all and i don't ever

907
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,679
really try to say

908
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:07,360
uh this was definitely this unless i

909
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,200
really know it was definitely something

910
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:11,200
okay um

911
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:12,799
or unless it's so obvious that it's

912
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:15,279
something we've seen many many times

913
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,320
that we know is a certain something

914
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:20,480
so i don't often make definitive

915
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,159
pronouncements about something because

916
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,880
that's you know i don't want to be

917
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,559
accused of being arrogant about this

918
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:28,799
stuff it you know

919
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,389
typically i'm already fighting against

920
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:36,080
the nature to

921
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,799
to

922
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,120
not be arrogant about it right i mean

923
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,440
science can be arrogant at times

924
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,440
and um there's a lot of people that say

925
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:45,600
well if it doesn't exist if i don't see

926
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,679
the evidence it doesn't exist

927
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:49,760
well i'm not one of those guys i mean

928
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:51,679
i've had things happen to me i cannot

929
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,880
explain right and they don't fit science

930
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:56,240
so

931
00:34:01,269 --> 00:34:00,399
up here well maybe

932
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:01,279
okay

933
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,720
but it could also mean that i

934
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:05,279
experienced something that is not in our

935
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:08,320
current understanding and

936
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,159
that's the way it is that's the way life

937
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,919
is you know we have to be willing to

938
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:13,679
accept those possibilities and that's

939
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:16,879
exactly what i think i i do

940
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:19,520
um yeah you know and do you think

941
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,560
all right

942
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,000
guy by the way

943
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:23,760
let's just let's just

944
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,240
throw this out there sure neil degrasse

945
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:27,839
tyson

946
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:30,720
sees a dog on the floor

947
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:33,040
it's from another dimension he steps

948
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:38,950
your really weird situation you had yeah

949
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:40,720
that if something like that happened to

950
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,440
someone like him

951
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,760
if some of the things happen

952
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,599
that have happened to you and i know

953
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:49,599
these things have happened to you

954
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:50,639
um

955
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:52,960
very strange things

956
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,000
um

957
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,240
how do you think someone like him that

958
00:35:03,270 --> 00:34:58,560
has an affront to

959
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,280
he's uh you know mr i'm the ufos mean

960
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:05,359
nothing and you know all this type of

961
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:06,240
thing

962
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,599
let me uh let me

963
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:10,000
correct a little something there i mean

964
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,599
you're right about that of course but

965
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:13,839
one of the things i want to mention was

966
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:14,720
um

967
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:18,160
if neil degrasse tyson was so

968
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:19,599
against or

969
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:20,720
uh so

970
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:26,069
taking offense by ufos say or taking

971
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:27,599
offense by the lack of scientific

972
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:30,720
evidence for ufos then why did he ask me

973
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:33,760
for a linkedin connection okay

974
00:35:36,069 --> 00:35:34,640
um

975
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:36,079
clearly

976
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,920
i do what i do

977
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,960
clearly

978
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,880
he's keeping his pulse on it without

979
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,560
actually saying anything he's lurking

980
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,160
right obviously who wouldn't it's the

981
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,720
right thing to do so i know that

982
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:48,240
you know i know that that's something

983
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:49,440
that

984
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:51,920
is a very

985
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,119
important thing in academia is to not

986
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,119
allow yourself to be blinded by your own

987
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,839
science and i think that in the past i

988
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:01,440
think people have accused him of being

989
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,280
blinded by that science

990
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:05,119
but i think that he's he's

991
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,800
understanding there might be more things

992
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:09,200
out there that we don't understand

993
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,839
and that's as much as we can expect

994
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:13,680
right right so i want to i would want to

995
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,720
just

996
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:16,400
pull this up here because i think it's

997
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:17,520
interesting

998
00:36:23,589 --> 00:36:20,320
the australian melbourne ufo photo from

999
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:23,599
1966 is compelling and i believe i have

1000
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:26,560
that image was that in uh was that in

1001
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,680
james fox yeah uh and i've i think this

1002
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:31,440
is one heck of a photo and i want to

1003
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:34,240
know your opinion of that

1004
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,760
right away the first thing i would say

1005
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:37,599
is where's the rest of the photo because

1006
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,720
that it was just a one-off polaroid yeah

1007
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:42,000
and that's the

1008
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,680
photo from the polaroid

1009
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:46,240
that that photo is is from

1010
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,400
the pulp that is a polaroid and james

1011
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:50,000
fox in the phenomenon showed the

1012
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,839
original polaroid

1013
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,480
okay

1014
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:56,800
um

1015
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,400
right off the bat what i would do is uh

1016
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,240
you know i would analyze the reflections

1017
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,480
in that object

1018
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:07,440
and try to figure out what colors well i

1019
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:08,720
could easily figure out the colors i

1020
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,960
guess that are in that reflection and

1021
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:12,720
then look at the ground objects and see

1022
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:13,920
if there's anything in the ground

1023
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,040
objects that could uh irresponsible and

1024
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:19,599
try to if possible get a scale for

1025
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,640
anything that might be in that

1026
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,480
reflection and that would tell us how

1027
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:24,240
far away it is because that could be

1028
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,599
something

1029
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,359
somewhat large that's farther away or

1030
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,760
something very small that's up close

1031
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,079
um that's true the entire photo is a

1032
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,320
little bit blurry and it looks like the

1033
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:36,720
object and the house and in the photo

1034
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:38,800
are about as blurred

1035
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:39,599
so

1036
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,480
uh

1037
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:42,480
it could not have been moving too fast

1038
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,040
especially if it's a polaroid

1039
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:47,520
now my son collects polaroid cameras and

1040
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,720
i have them upstairs several kinds

1041
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,000
and there's someone that actually

1042
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,960
collects polaroid cameras yeah my son he

1043
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,359
actually collects a lot of cameras okay

1044
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,280
yeah and he's uh

1045
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:01,119
a film film uh

1046
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:02,880
oh that's right that's right yeah and

1047
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,520
knows an awful lot about them yeah and

1048
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:07,359
he knows he would be able to look at

1049
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,960
that photo and

1050
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:10,079
tell you

1051
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:13,440
whether a polaroid camera of whatever

1052
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:15,760
type that is said to have taken that

1053
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:16,640
picture

1054
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,079
from an object moving fast through the

1055
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:22,320
picture i think not

1056
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:24,400
i think it's something was either moving

1057
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:27,599
relatively slow or stationary

1058
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:30,400
so i think yeah i'm trying to remember

1059
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,760
james fox did

1060
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,440
when he was in

1061
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,440
australia he met with this gentleman

1062
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,440
that held up the the picture and all

1063
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,240
that and he tells the whole entire story

1064
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:42,000
he was working in the garden and that's

1065
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,520
all i remember i don't remember any

1066
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,880
other details

1067
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,960
but

1068
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:48,079
i know that

1069
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:49,599
you know your friend of mine lee spiegel

1070
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:51,920
worked on it together with james and

1071
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:52,880
um

1072
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,680
yeah don't remember uh the details of

1073
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,079
that particular case there

1074
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,240
yeah you hear the you hear the crows in

1075
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:02,240
the background i do there's it's the

1076
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,760
weirdest thing you'd think this place

1077
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,920
would be full of seagulls but it's

1078
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:07,760
the crows are eating

1079
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,800
crabs and i'm just unbelievable yeah

1080
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:12,560
yeah taking over

1081
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:13,359
yeah

1082
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,510
uh

1083
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:21,200
so you know yes there

1084
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,720
i want to mention before we go a bunch

1085
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:24,560
further

1086
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:27,440
you know in our live observatory skyter

1087
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,960
live stream oh yes i wanted to talk

1088
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,400
about it on youtube

1089
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:32,400
um that's the east coast observatory

1090
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:33,599
there that's being rehabbed and

1091
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:34,960
refurbished and i'm going to be putting

1092
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,839
into a new building out here but out in

1093
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:39,599
arizona we have an active building out

1094
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:40,400
there

1095
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:41,280
well

1096
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:44,160
sunday after our our radio show that

1097
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:45,680
goes from six to eight

1098
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:48,240
we're gonna move right into a lunar

1099
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,839
eclipse stream and we're gonna actually

1100
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,079
stream the lunar eclipse live

1101
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,800
um now it'll already be well underway by

1102
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:56,960
the time we get in but just keep this in

1103
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:59,200
mind last time we were looking at the

1104
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:01,599
moon during a lunar eclipse

1105
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,280
we're one of five groups on the planet

1106
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,040
that actually caught a meteor strike the

1107
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,720
moon during the eclipse right at the

1108
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,400
height of the eclipse right in the red

1109
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,480
spot you see it

1110
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,880
i remember that i remember that yeah

1111
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:14,880
yeah exactly

1112
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:17,440
at the time we didn't know what we saw

1113
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:19,119
so we let it go for a time because we

1114
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,079
figured okay we're going to research

1115
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:21,920
that when we're done and by the time the

1116
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,920
stream was over we had already found out

1117
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,680
that indeed it was a meteor that struck

1118
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,119
the moon so we always have this we have

1119
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,680
a phenomenal sky tour live stream family

1120
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,040
and they just started researching and

1121
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,880
doing things and they found out an awful

1122
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,119
lot about it before we even finished the

1123
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,880
stream that night so that was pretty

1124
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:38,880
awesome you know these are good people

1125
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,319
but uh so tell tell tell the listening

1126
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:44,720
audience how they can

1127
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,680
get there uh for this coming event

1128
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,680
saturday you said yeah yeah yeah let's

1129
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:51,839
see we're live on youtube on most clear

1130
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,079
nights out in arizona i'm in connecticut

1131
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:55,839
but i control it from here

1132
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,880
um and i use literally almost all free

1133
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,880
software to do it

1134
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:02,079
so if anyone wants to learn how to

1135
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,000
control something long distance

1136
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,400
you can do it for free almost free i

1137
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:07,920
think that's pretty cool

1138
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,160
um but um

1139
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,560
we're on youtube and the channel is

1140
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,119
called sky tour live stream with with

1141
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:17,040
this guy right here mark antonio right

1142
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,240
there that's me

1143
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,560
that's a weird name i never realized my

1144
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,960
name but that's my name and so sky tour

1145
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,280
sky tour one word live stream with marc

1146
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:27,599
d'antonio skytrail live stream will find

1147
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,240
it

1148
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:30,079
and just subscribe and join and come on

1149
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,119
in and

1150
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,599
and just watch and we've got well over

1151
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:35,119
500

1152
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:41,440
uh past streams up there that we've done

1153
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:43,359
of the night sky

1154
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:46,319
and our sky out there is so dark

1155
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,640
that literally when i first saw it and

1156
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:50,880
i'm not i'm not too proud to say this

1157
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,400
when i first saw it i literally started

1158
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:54,079
crying it was so

1159
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,440
beautiful

1160
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,400
it was dead calm dead quiet and all that

1161
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:00,960
was over me was this velvety beautiful

1162
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:03,839
sky with beautiful pinpoints of stars

1163
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,720
and milky way and i was like huh

1164
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,920
it literally

1165
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,520
takes your breath away

1166
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,480
and we have one of the top instruments

1167
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,640
in that building looking up at the sky

1168
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,640
every time it's clear and getting

1169
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,040
imagery and is just

1170
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,160
unbelievable we get in in 10 to 15 to 20

1171
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:24,319
seconds what it takes sometimes

1172
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:27,760
10 to 20 to 30 minutes to get elsewhere

1173
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,640
we can get really yeah yeah so most of

1174
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:32,640
our exposures we actually will do

1175
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:33,920
anywhere between

1176
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,599
uh five and and and 15 objects a night

1177
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:40,560
you know and taking long exposures of 20

1178
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,800
seconds on them and then stacking them

1179
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,319
one on top of each other like an image

1180
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,800
sandwich to make them much more clear

1181
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,560
and in 20 seconds i mean how long does

1182
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:50,319
it take to get 10

1183
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:53,839
10 images 10 stack 10 stack images 200

1184
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,800
seconds

1185
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,640
so in the time it takes to say what i'm

1186
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,440
saying now we'd almost be done

1187
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,680
so it's really cool i almost don't have

1188
00:43:06,069 --> 00:43:03,440
time to talk about the object but i do

1189
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,079
every time and you know i say okay this

1190
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,160
is a planetary nebula it's a remains of

1191
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,160
a star that just died

1192
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,480
and uh you know the green greenish blue

1193
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:14,000
colors because of this the red colors

1194
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,040
because of that you know we'll talk

1195
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,119
about the elements in the periodic table

1196
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,960
but you know we talk about it in a way

1197
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,960
that makes people understand it right

1198
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,200
and yes you do i've i've been in that

1199
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:25,200
i've been watching a few times and

1200
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,480
you've said hi to each other enough

1201
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,640
times but yeah you're you're you're a

1202
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:30,400
wonderful patron and

1203
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:31,839
um and

1204
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,800
the thing is when you know uh last

1205
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:36,319
week or two we've been looking at a

1206
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:37,839
supernova that occurred and it's

1207
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,800
occurred in another galaxy now

1208
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:43,280
this galaxy is tens of millions of light

1209
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,800
years away which means that the

1210
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,319
supernova which showed up in our

1211
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,000
telescopes

1212
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,720
on just one on one particular night

1213
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:52,640
that light took millions tens of

1214
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:54,880
millions of years to get here yeah it

1215
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:57,520
actually left before the dinosaurs died

1216
00:44:00,870 --> 00:44:00,079
from amazing ancient and made it here

1217
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:00,880
uh

1218
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:03,440
so hard to fathom things like that yes

1219
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:05,040
well the universe is a great big time

1220
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,480
machine isn't it

1221
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,480
you look back yeah all the time i think

1222
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:10,720
of that all the time when yeah

1223
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:12,079
i look out

1224
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:15,440
yeah what we're seeing and are we

1225
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:17,040
let me ask you a couple of astronomy

1226
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:18,400
questions because i've always always

1227
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,760
enjoy uh picking your brains on things

1228
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:23,040
how

1229
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:23,920
uh

1230
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,800
how

1231
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:26,160
close

1232
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,599
could a

1233
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:29,920
uh let me say it again how close would a

1234
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:32,319
supernova uh probably depends on the

1235
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:33,440
size of it

1236
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:34,960
um that would

1237
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:37,760
could happen that could affect us could

1238
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,240
cause us problems okay

1239
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:42,319
first part of your question how

1240
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:45,119
you said depends on the size of it um

1241
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:46,880
a star of a certain mass will go

1242
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,880
supernova that's a star way more massive

1243
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:50,800
than our sun but

1244
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,680
uh if a star went supernova that was

1245
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:56,079
within say four light years five light

1246
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:57,280
years of us

1247
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:58,240
then

1248
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:00,160
uh we could be in trouble

1249
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:01,920
and it might take four to five years for

1250
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,480
that energy to get here to bathe our

1251
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,880
planet in you know high-energy x-rays or

1252
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,960
gamma rays and that could be

1253
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,520
disastrous however

1254
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,680
there is no star that can

1255
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,520
do that to us none of the stars near us

1256
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,680
are that massive that can cause such a

1257
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,200
problem for us

1258
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,599
um now we are orbiting the galaxy and we

1259
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,680
do come near other stars at times and we

1260
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,599
don't you know clearly we've gone around

1261
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:27,839
the galaxy almost 20 times

1262
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,720
since we formed here 4.5 billion years

1263
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:32,240
ago

1264
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:34,960
and in that time we've never encountered

1265
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,040
anything that was a

1266
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,760
earth sterilizer event

1267
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,079
like that and that would be a sterilizer

1268
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:44,640
event it would destroy us so clearly

1269
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,119
we're on the plus side

1270
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,000
of the uh of the problem here

1271
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,079
you know right it's on the chance wheel

1272
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,240
we're on the plus side so we're going to

1273
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,240
i don't know if you never forget before

1274
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:58,880
i forget sorry yeah go ahead um

1275
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:01,040
i was starting to say that a sky tour

1276
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:02,240
live stream

1277
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,200
um

1278
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,599
is going to be live this weekend sunday

1279
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,520
if it's clear out in arizona which it

1280
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,280
usually is we have 300 clear nights a

1281
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,000
year there um we'll be live and

1282
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,400
broadcasting this this uh eclipse now

1283
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,240
the eclipse starts right at sunset in

1284
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:18,000
fact out there it'll already be

1285
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,400
happening when this when the moon rises

1286
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,640
but we're going to catch it just after

1287
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:24,480
our radio show which is going to be

1288
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:26,960
around 8 o'clock so around 8

1289
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:29,440
10 or so in the evening eastern time

1290
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:30,640
we're going to

1291
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:32,319
be focusing on the moon and it's going

1292
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,520
to be already blood red by that point um

1293
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:37,200
but you know what that's the exciting

1294
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:38,640
thing and then we'll watch it you know

1295
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,960
watch the earth shadow pass off of it on

1296
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:43,200
the way out so i can't wait i'm going to

1297
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,800
try to tune into that yeah we're going

1298
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:46,480
to watch and see if we can catch any

1299
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,599
meteors and i'll probably be live uh

1300
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:51,760
before we end the radio show and i'll

1301
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,560
show the live feed during the radio show

1302
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,480
if if it's clear and if it's cloudy it

1303
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,319
doesn't it doesn't matter we can still

1304
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:59,920
we can still do it if it's you know

1305
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:01,040
light clouds

1306
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,200
so that should be pretty cool

1307
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,040
i i have i don't know if you've ever

1308
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,440
heard of fraser kane yeah

1309
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,839
yeah so i've listened to his show and i

1310
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,480
can't remember the who his co-host is

1311
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:14,720
she's uh professor

1312
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,960
uh in chicago area i think

1313
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:19,440
anyway um he's got a funny saying that

1314
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:21,520
he says the universe is always trying to

1315
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,400
kill us that's right

1316
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,559
and so there are there are so many

1317
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,400
events but one of the the reason i'm

1318
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,960
bringing this up don't you think that

1319
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:32,720
there should be

1320
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:34,480
um more

1321
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:37,839
um some type of protection for

1322
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:40,720
incoming if we have something you know

1323
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:44,000
that is in direct line and um

1324
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,680
you know that you know this thing that

1325
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:47,359
happened back in

1326
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:48,640
celabinsk

1327
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,520
um

1328
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:51,599
it was in direct line with the sun we

1329
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,160
may not have time of course

1330
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:55,839
but don't you think there should be more

1331
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:58,000
i mean we invest in so many things it

1332
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,839
seems like you know if we had a planet

1333
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,440
killer coming our way it seems like we'd

1334
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,079
want to try to be able to mis you know

1335
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,400
misdirect me you know redirect it

1336
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,559
well you say something very interesting

1337
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:10,640
okay and that is that we need to figure

1338
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,160
out a way to survive say the big impact

1339
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,400
or whatever well that's what the dart

1340
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,800
project is all about dart is going to

1341
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:21,040
see if colliding with an asteroid will

1342
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:23,200
allow us to that's right

1343
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,319
just enough

1344
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,319
to change its orbit now the asteroid

1345
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,160
it's going to hit is not an asteroid

1346
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,640
that can hurt us in any way nor could it

1347
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,960
ever but it's a it's a test candidate

1348
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:34,720
we're going to see if colliding with

1349
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,000
this object can move the asteroid enough

1350
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,319
so that over time

1351
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,079
given we have the time

1352
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,160
we would be able to nudge a killer

1353
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:46,079
asteroid out of our way

1354
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:46,800
so

1355
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:49,599
many

1356
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,319
dart objects we hurl at it in order to

1357
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:54,079
get it to move

1358
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,880
so

1359
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:56,240
this would be kind of interesting to see

1360
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:57,440
how this works

1361
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,040
right we do need more things um for sure

1362
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,880
the chelyabinsk uh

1363
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,559
asteroid that came in

1364
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,880
keep in mind that that was fairly small

1365
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:09,040
which is why it was hard to see size of

1366
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,079
a bus

1367
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:12,079
yeah and fairly small

1368
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,280
is not

1369
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,520
necessarily dangerous

1370
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,280
but um

1371
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:19,359
the chelly banks meteor did punch a

1372
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,720
20-foot diameter hole in a frozen lake

1373
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,720
when it finally fragment finally reached

1374
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:26,880
the ground

1375
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:29,920
but again keeping in mind that that that

1376
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,800
hole

1377
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,559
that it made was

1378
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:34,800
just a fragment of the overall

1379
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,079
larger object right right so we get hit

1380
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:40,240
with larger objects many times per year

1381
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,680
a number of times you could probably

1382
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,040
count them on two hands probably like

1383
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,880
ten times eight times whatever for a

1384
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,559
very large object

1385
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,280
and they usually hit over the ocean

1386
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,440
but i think they're also responsible for

1387
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:53,520
some of the mythical sounds that people

1388
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:54,400
hear

1389
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,309
and then in nova scotia

1390
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,119
what was that these mystery booms what

1391
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:07,760
they might be are the sonic booms or the

1392
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,119
breakup booms of these giant objects

1393
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,960
coming in over the ocean and the sound

1394
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,280
just travels england how about that nova

1395
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,079
scotia i've you've heard people have

1396
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:19,760
been talking about those boom sounds

1397
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,880
wondering what they are

1398
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:25,280
for years i think linda molten how

1399
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:26,800
actually does

1400
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,520
some stories on that you know the people

1401
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,839
that are hearing these boom sounds and

1402
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,400
no explanation never thought of it being

1403
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:36,319
carried off the ocean of course if the

1404
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,280
earth is 73 water or whatever it is

1405
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,119
ocean um

1406
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,280
yeah most of them are you know 70 of

1407
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:45,119
them are going to land in the ocean

1408
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,119
right and keep in mind that these these

1409
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:49,760
explosions are occurring not at 10 000

1410
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:50,880
feet

1411
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,200
these explosions are occurring at like a

1412
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,680
hundred and eighty thousand or or more

1413
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,680
maybe eighty miles up seventy miles so

1414
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,280
they can really carry in the curvature

1415
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,200
of the earth and all that right and the

1416
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,760
sound waves will be a lot

1417
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,520
you know lower amplitude up there

1418
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:07,280
because there's not enough not enough

1419
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,960
air to conduct the sound waves because

1420
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,640
they're like a compression wave through

1421
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,640
the air but if they do

1422
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:14,720
make it they're going to be a big long

1423
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,200
low boom and that's what the rumbling

1424
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,280
was heard you know rumbling in england

1425
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:21,599
rumbling in nova scotia hmm

1426
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,880
depending on the timing of when they

1427
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,480
were heard you could kind of pinpoint

1428
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:26,240
where along that line

1429
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:27,839
the meteor came in

1430
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,760
so if it's heard you know because air

1431
00:51:34,470 --> 00:51:31,680
you know in the in air of a certain

1432
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,480
density sound travels a certain speed

1433
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:37,119
and if you can calculate how long it

1434
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,480
takes for the sound to get to nova

1435
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,079
scotia versus how long it gets to

1436
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:41,920
england and what time they actually

1437
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:44,000
heard it and knowing the two times the

1438
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:45,760
two places you can figure out where

1439
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:47,119
along the line it happened was it right

1440
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,400
in between was it more toward nova

1441
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,720
scotia was more toward england and for

1442
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,400
instance so you can figure out a

1443
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:54,880
substantial number of things just from

1444
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,839
the the data about the sound

1445
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,640
you know

1446
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,240
and the other thing to keep in mind is

1447
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:02,079
that we have underwater listening

1448
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,680
hydrophones

1449
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:05,359
in our oceans

1450
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:06,160
and

1451
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,760
these sounds

1452
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,440
long low frequencies

1453
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:11,839
if any of those hydrophones pick up that

1454
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,319
sound then those are hard data points

1455
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,559
that will help will have and who who

1456
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:18,720
monitors those

1457
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:19,680
well

1458
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,480
it's a it's a us navy it's a us

1459
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,680
government

1460
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:25,680
so would we ever we would probably never

1461
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,040
hear about anything

1462
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:29,520
most likely well

1463
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,880
maybe but see the thing is they would

1464
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,800
overlook it they would say okay we just

1465
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:34,559
had this one spurious sound well it's

1466
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,319
either geological biological or natural

1467
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,079
of some kind they only care about

1468
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:42,800
listening for enemies

1469
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,040
right they have certain signatures for

1470
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:47,040
say certain submarines or certain

1471
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,280
warships and like they can say oh yeah

1472
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:51,359
well this this this ship just left that

1473
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:54,400
port okay uh okay the tight well we got

1474
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,520
a we got a cooler uh submarine that just

1475
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,680
fired up out of mermanx and it's on its

1476
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,160
way into the north sea the baron sea

1477
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,400
you know so i mean you got all kinds of

1478
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:06,240
possibilities there that's what they're

1479
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:07,599
listening for they're not listening for

1480
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,800
whale farts to be clear blunt

1481
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:12,559
okay yeah though those would probably

1482
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,839
sound pretty funny

1483
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:17,440
just like the way they sing

1484
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:18,800
just leave everybody sing that's right

1485
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:20,240
yeah now

1486
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,359
what about

1487
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,000
let's shift gears a little bit and

1488
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:26,160
you know you think about

1489
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,040
life

1490
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,240
there i have that great book that you

1491
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:32,880
wrote right in the other room in there

1492
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:34,960
um and what what is the title to that

1493
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,839
book

1494
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:37,680
it's called the populated universe it's

1495
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,400
uh

1496
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:41,200
yeah it's it's my

1497
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,720
us on the subject that life in the

1498
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,800
universe may very well be the norm not

1499
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:46,800
the exception yeah

1500
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:50,079
and that probably is i i agree with that

1501
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:52,480
yeah that one statement but let me just

1502
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,800
ask you your thoughts on you know we

1503
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:56,640
think about life on

1504
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,760
planets but what about moons like uh

1505
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:01,680
jupiter's moon

1506
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:02,960
europa

1507
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:05,200
something like that yeah i mean it

1508
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,880
doesn't have to be intelligent life but

1509
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,240
just plain life

1510
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:10,559
yeah and that's something we we will

1511
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:13,359
probably find i think in the next 10 to

1512
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:15,119
15 years maybe

1513
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,240
um

1514
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:18,640
we'll also notice uh because of our

1515
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:20,800
planet hunting capability that

1516
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,079
um

1517
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,640
proxima proxima b the the planet that's

1518
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:26,160
that one of the two planets around

1519
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:27,760
proxima centauri

1520
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:29,599
4.3 light years away

1521
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:37,510
characteristics that could foster life

1522
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:38,400
perhaps

1523
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,440
i mean

1524
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:41,839
clearly the star is a very

1525
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:44,559
flare it's a flaring star so

1526
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:46,240
we don't we see a lot of ultraviolet

1527
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,839
flares

1528
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:50,240
but the sun in its early life was also a

1529
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:53,680
very ultraviolet prone star

1530
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,640
and it would do these flares as well

1531
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:58,240
so that said

1532
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:01,680
um if we're looking at uh

1533
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,839
say proxima b well then we know that uh

1534
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,359
proxima b

1535
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,680
might actually be a

1536
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,760
a planet that could possibly support

1537
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:13,280
some form of life

1538
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:14,160
right

1539
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:15,040
um

1540
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:17,839
what was the rest of your question

1541
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:19,040
because i was

1542
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,640
well i was asking it doesn't have to be

1543
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:22,720
on a planet no no i didn't that's right

1544
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,400
but but okay

1545
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:26,880
but we we know of um

1546
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:28,960
we know that there are planets with

1547
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:30,319
moons out there

1548
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:32,240
other than ours within our solar system

1549
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,079
we can see evidence that there are moons

1550
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:36,000
around other planets in other star

1551
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,799
systems so is it possible life could

1552
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,160
form there yes

1553
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:42,319
okay europa as you mentioned europa

1554
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:43,680
around jupiter

1555
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,240
um and we have io europa ganymede and

1556
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:48,079
kalisto those are the four galilean

1557
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:50,000
satellites that galileo

1558
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:52,400
famously used to get tried for heresy

1559
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,000
okay and europa is an ice-encrusted moon

1560
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:58,319
and it has what might be

1561
00:56:01,910 --> 00:55:59,440
seems to be

1562
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:01,920
a watery ocean beneath that icy crust

1563
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:04,160
yeah it doesn't have like volcanic uh

1564
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:06,160
like ice volcanoes yeah yeah water

1565
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:07,599
volcano

1566
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:08,880
geysers

1567
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,880
yeah and and the hubble space telescope

1568
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,480
was able to characterize that hydrogen

1569
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:14,720
and oxygen coming out of those geysers

1570
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:17,280
you could see it so what that means is

1571
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:18,880
if we have

1572
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:20,000
a

1573
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,280
life to be existent

1574
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:42,240
a mile beneath the ice in antarctica

1575
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,760
but there's a lake

1576
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:45,440
and some of your listeners are probably

1577
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:48,079
saying i know the lake it's lake vostok

1578
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:49,520
and you'd be right

1579
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:50,880
lake vostok

1580
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:53,760
is uh been sealed off from the world

1581
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,720
above

1582
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,720
for

1583
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,280
thousands tens of thousands of years and

1584
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,880
this particular

1585
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,839
lake

1586
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:03,599
uh when they probed it finally they went

1587
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:04,640
down

1588
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:07,839
it hosts well over 3 000 different

1589
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:10,240
species of microscopic life

1590
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:14,480
amazing and this this lake has its own

1591
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:17,520
cycles there's the carbon cycle okay

1592
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:19,440
that's very important for you know dead

1593
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:21,760
things they they go down they decompose

1594
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,920
the carbon goes back into the cycle and

1595
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:25,520
then starts agnew

1596
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,040
into new objects okay into new creatures

1597
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,599
that that is something cycles are very

1598
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,960
important we have the water cycle here

1599
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,799
on earth right with the atmosphere water

1600
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,400
evaporates goes up

1601
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:38,160
falls back down as rain

1602
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:41,200
fertilizes plants waters plants and then

1603
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,799
keeps on going over and over these

1604
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,559
cycles are really really important it's

1605
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,240
not just water and carbon there's other

1606
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:49,200
cycles too there's a methane cycle okay

1607
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,799
waste products uh you know you have to

1608
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,640
deal with them and then make them not

1609
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:54,640
toxify the environment and that happens

1610
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:57,839
too so if it happened here then it could

1611
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:01,200
happen there that's my whole point

1612
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:02,160
see

1613
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:04,799
right and that's a very good possibility

1614
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:06,799
yeah you know so

1615
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:07,599
um

1616
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:09,359
and lake vostok is a good test case

1617
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,240
because

1618
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:13,040
lake vostok is among the coldest places

1619
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,240
on earth

1620
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:16,799
if not the coolest

1621
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,359
amazing they have and then there's many

1622
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,440
cases where life has survived where it

1623
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:23,680
just seems totally impossible

1624
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,280
and acidic and

1625
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,040
the creatures remember the creatures in

1626
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:30,000
lake vostok don't depend on sunlight

1627
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:31,680
there is none

1628
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:33,920
so they don't make energy through

1629
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,640
photosynthesis like the sun-loving

1630
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:39,200
creatures do that we are and plants are

1631
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,319
right

1632
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:42,880
they use chemosynthesis

1633
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,319
the chemical creation of energy and

1634
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,480
that's what life on europa

1635
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:51,359
or on saturn's moon enceladus

1636
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,400
might do

1637
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:54,480
now i've always thought that

1638
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,280
all living things depended on

1639
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:59,920
the energy originally originating from

1640
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:01,040
the sun

1641
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:01,920
um

1642
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:04,160
in the end they would because they they

1643
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:05,680
would

1644
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:07,839
the situation they're in

1645
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:10,079
would have been brought about by a

1646
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:11,839
flourishing of life

1647
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,319
that led to these other life forms that

1648
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,160
are microbial for instance

1649
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,400
okay um

1650
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:20,799
and that would mean that the life that

1651
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:22,640
is in lake vostok

1652
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:24,960
might have once been at the surface when

1653
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:27,680
antarctica wasn't frozen but then over

1654
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:28,720
time

1655
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:32,799
evolved to a deep ice

1656
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:35,280
land deep ice locked lake

1657
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:38,000
and thus the life forms uh changed and

1658
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,200
adapted

1659
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:41,520
okay mutated and

1660
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:43,599
adapted evolved to

1661
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:46,079
accept that environment and and flourish

1662
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:48,160
in that environment certainly many did

1663
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:48,960
not

1664
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:52,640
okay but many probably did and have at

1665
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,119
least 3 000 species that we know of down

1666
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,119
there that's a lot of species that's a

1667
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,520
lot of creatures down there that have

1668
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:01,839
figured out a way to echo some type of

1669
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,040
existence

1670
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:05,440
right amazing also keep in mind that on

1671
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:06,720
mars

1672
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:07,599
uh

1673
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:09,280
mars is an interesting planet too

1674
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,680
because mars has this atmosphere made

1675
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:13,599
mostly of carbon dioxide

1676
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,079
and the perseverance rover

1677
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:18,640
has this really cool little experiment

1678
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:21,359
the size of a car battery that is really

1679
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:23,040
really interesting

1680
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:24,799
and this

1681
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:27,119
car battery size object undertook an

1682
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:31,680
experiment by the nickname moxie moxie

1683
01:00:35,910 --> 01:00:34,720
and moxie was the mars oxygen in-situ

1684
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:35,920
experiment

1685
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:38,000
and what that meant was it was trying to

1686
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:40,079
see if it could convert

1687
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:42,799
the carbon dioxide atmosphere of mars

1688
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:45,119
the breathable oxygen

1689
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:47,680
and it was a wonderful success

1690
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:49,760
what's that mean it means that sooner or

1691
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:52,000
later when we colonize mars we don't

1692
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:54,000
have to bring our air man

1693
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:55,280
we're gonna

1694
01:01:01,910 --> 01:00:59,040
and that is something that i think is

1695
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,920
really really important because you know

1696
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:04,079
when you breathe out carbon dioxide from

1697
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:05,280
your lungs

1698
01:01:08,470 --> 01:01:06,799
well what does that say that says that

1699
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:08,480
we're gonna be able to recycle the co2

1700
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:11,520
and make oxygen from that

1701
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:13,359
now you see

1702
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:15,040
we're very excited

1703
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:16,319
and that's going to be the coolest thing

1704
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:17,200
and

1705
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,280
on the south pole of mars

1706
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:21,520
deep under under the polar ice cap the

1707
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,280
south polar ice cap

1708
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:25,760
there's actually this large reservoir of

1709
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,920
liquid water why is it liquid i thought

1710
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:29,839
we couldn't have liquid water on mars

1711
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:32,240
well you can at depth because you have

1712
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:34,799
the weight of the overlying strata

1713
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:37,119
increases the pressure at depth so that

1714
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:38,960
liquid water could exist

1715
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:40,000
and

1716
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:42,000
this was found with a orbital radar

1717
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:45,760
mapping system and this water reservoir

1718
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:46,880
could

1719
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:49,440
potentially house microbial life

1720
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:51,839
now that would be kind of like the final

1721
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:53,599
vestige of where life would end up have

1722
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:55,839
ended up on mars because mars used to

1723
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,920
have a much thicker atmosphere and used

1724
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:59,520
to have water running on its surface

1725
01:02:02,549 --> 01:02:00,240
right

1726
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:02,559
yeah you know that

1727
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:04,319
magnetosphere too

1728
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:06,559
and if that's a very good point um and

1729
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:08,880
that's the reason why mars doesn't have

1730
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:10,799
water on the surface now

1731
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:13,520
uh in the end because mars lost its

1732
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,119
magnetic field which is what you call

1733
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,520
the magnetosphere correctly and

1734
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:19,680
the magnetosphere on earth protects us

1735
01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:22,079
from the sun's harmful radiation

1736
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:24,160
in fact it traps the magnetic field

1737
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:25,920
traps particles from the sun they're

1738
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:28,240
coming to us and it could spell

1739
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:30,559
cancerous disasters for us and rip us

1740
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:32,559
apart with its high energy ultraviolet

1741
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:34,720
radiation however

1742
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:35,599
um

1743
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:36,720
you know some of it gets through but

1744
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,920
most of it gets stopped these high

1745
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:39,359
energy particles the solar wind

1746
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:40,400
particles

1747
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:44,640
trapped in our magnetic field are what

1748
01:02:47,829 --> 01:02:45,599
people

1749
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:47,839
recognize as the van allen radiation

1750
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:48,960
belts

1751
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:50,720
and that's where those come from there

1752
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,039
actually are magnetic fields brought to

1753
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:54,960
visibility essentially through our

1754
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:58,400
instrumentation and because of the solar

1755
01:03:01,510 --> 01:03:00,240
wind getting trapped in the magnetic

1756
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:01,520
field

1757
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:04,160
do you think there's a chance of our of

1758
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:05,839
us uh

1759
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:09,280
the weakening of our magnetic field

1760
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,920
our magnetic field changes you know and

1761
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:13,280
um

1762
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:14,960
you know you you're this is another one

1763
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:17,839
of those um pseudoscientific things you

1764
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,920
see online oh the earth's magnetic field

1765
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:21,359
is going to flip

1766
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:24,480
does that mean we're going to see the

1767
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:28,000
south pole star the southern star no

1768
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:29,200
it doesn't

1769
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:30,640
what's happening is the same thing that

1770
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:33,599
happens to the sun every 11 years okay

1771
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:36,079
the sun's magnetic field gets twisted up

1772
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,400
as it rotates the magnetic field lines

1773
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,799
get twisted up and then they basically

1774
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:42,960
pop and realign effectively and that

1775
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:45,280
creates the sunspot cycle right where it

1776
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:46,799
gets cut it up then it evens out for a

1777
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:48,160
while then it gets twisted up again it

1778
01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:49,920
does the same thing well you know the

1779
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,640
earth is is different only because the

1780
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:54,480
earth is smaller its magnetic field is

1781
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:55,520
different

1782
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:58,079
but we do have cases where the magnetic

1783
01:04:01,670 --> 01:03:59,039
field

1784
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:01,680
does wander the north pole that was

1785
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:05,280
magnetic north back in 1960 for instance

1786
01:04:08,990 --> 01:04:07,520
is not in the same spot that it is in

1787
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:09,000
2020

1788
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:12,079
2021 okay but it's not like it's going

1789
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:13,039
wow

1790
01:04:16,470 --> 01:04:14,720
it's flipping like and it's gonna flip

1791
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:16,480
overnight and everybody's gonna die and

1792
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:22,470
yeah well see the thing is

1793
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:25,359
animals have had

1794
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:27,920
millions of years of evolution to deal

1795
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:29,520
with what is called

1796
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,000
properly geomagnetic reversal

1797
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,000
and geomagnetic reversal has happened

1798
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,480
quite a few times how do we know

1799
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:38,880
well in the mid-atlantic ocean that's

1800
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:41,039
where these two plates collide right we

1801
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:42,400
have these two tectonic plates that

1802
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:44,240
collide in when new materials made and

1803
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:48,000
comes out and oozes out as it cools

1804
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:52,480
the iron crystals inside that rock

1805
01:04:57,029 --> 01:04:55,280
form in a certain direction effectively

1806
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:57,039
based on what the magnetic field is at

1807
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:59,119
the time and guess what we see when we

1808
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:01,359
do samples along that magnetic ridge we

1809
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:02,160
see

1810
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:04,160
uh magnetic crystals that say are this

1811
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:06,960
way and then this way you know

1812
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:09,039
back and forth over a period of you know

1813
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:10,559
thousands of years

1814
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:13,920
the switch to occur

1815
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:15,599
so you see times when they're muddy and

1816
01:05:18,630 --> 01:05:16,960
when they're not quite right but then

1817
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:18,640
you have a distinctive you know

1818
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:20,400
predominance of this direction and a

1819
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:22,880
predominance of this direction so we see

1820
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,280
this geomagnetic reversal is a thing

1821
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:27,520
that happens it's related to how the

1822
01:05:30,309 --> 01:05:28,880
inner core of the earth and the outer

1823
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:30,319
core of the earth are moving against

1824
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:31,520
each other

1825
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:33,200
and it does happen

1826
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:34,880
but it's not one of these things that

1827
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:36,880
happens so fast that everything is going

1828
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:42,069
that's just another you could

1829
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:42,880
yeah

1830
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:45,680
can we keep up with the technology and

1831
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:47,680
switching things over so

1832
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:50,480
things would still work we have been

1833
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:52,319
you know things have been changing you

1834
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:54,160
know you get an update on your gps

1835
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:56,319
recently

1836
01:06:01,910 --> 01:05:59,039
you don't know but it did probably right

1837
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:01,920
you get internal updates on gps well it

1838
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,160
happens you know every every few years

1839
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:06,880
or whatever you get a major update to

1840
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:09,599
your gps and so forth and maybe it's a

1841
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,839
quiet update but you know what

1842
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,680
we are we're gradually taking care of it

1843
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:15,200
we're gradually just following the

1844
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:17,359
magnetic field and changing accordingly

1845
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:18,480
as we go

1846
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:21,200
so guess what the geomagnetic reversal

1847
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:22,480
will come

1848
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:24,559
when it comes and we'll be there when

1849
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:25,760
we're there and say

1850
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:27,760
i guess we're in it now or i guess it

1851
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,240
happened already uh-huh no that's not

1852
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:32,400
true

1853
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:34,880
yeah in fact we probably are you know

1854
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:36,880
the the pole is shifting slightly you

1855
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:38,480
know every so on every year it's

1856
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:40,319
shifting a little bit and maybe that's

1857
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:42,640
the geomagnet but not the physical pole

1858
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:45,039
the magnetic field is shifting a little

1859
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:46,880
bit that doesn't mean we're going to be

1860
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,880
suddenly exposed to the sun's harmful

1861
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:50,640
rays and the radiation belt's going to

1862
01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:53,119
go away and the uv radiation is going to

1863
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:56,079
burn us all alive ah you know that

1864
01:07:01,910 --> 01:06:57,920
that's not going to happen okay that

1865
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:01,920
can't happen earth it takes a long time

1866
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:02,720
to

1867
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:06,400
right are you familiar with

1868
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:09,760
slimes no sun energy required

1869
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:12,880
i think that that question is referring

1870
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:14,960
to um

1871
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,720
slime molds

1872
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:18,480
all the molds uh-huh i think it's a

1873
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:21,520
slime mold yeah yeah um

1874
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:24,160
eukaryotic organisms are called and

1875
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:25,039
um

1876
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:26,079
and

1877
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:27,359
basically

1878
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:29,359
um

1879
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:32,720
a slime mold think of it as like a

1880
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:34,880
a colony sort of a

1881
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:37,599
a group of smaller creatures

1882
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:40,960
forming together to make a larger hole

1883
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,359
um you know kind of like um

1884
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:47,760
not quite like fungi not quite like you

1885
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:50,000
know like a mushroom is a fungus right

1886
01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:51,119
um

1887
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:53,200
but slime molds are interesting in their

1888
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:55,039
own right as well and

1889
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,319
are probably related to how life started

1890
01:08:02,630 --> 01:08:00,319
here actually

1891
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,640
i talk about them when i do my uh

1892
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:04,559
i do the toilet paper history of the

1893
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:05,680
earth

1894
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:07,920
i love that i love that that

1895
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:10,319
that is just so helpful to someone who

1896
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:13,520
has a hard time understanding numbers

1897
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:15,920
and i think i think i heard it that the

1898
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:17,600
human

1899
01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:21,279
brain but most people can understand

1900
01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:23,199
about 10 000

1901
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:25,359
the number ten thousand yeah and then

1902
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:28,880
when it goes above that we can't really

1903
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:30,480
uh comprehend

1904
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:32,719
things and just quickly if you would i

1905
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:34,319
know we're out of time we're going over

1906
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:37,040
time here but can you tell tell i love

1907
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:39,040
this thing and when you and i first met

1908
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,400
you were doing this

1909
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:42,560
um tell what you do about the toilet

1910
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:43,359
paper and i think you're going to

1911
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:45,359
reintroduce that or something aren't you

1912
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:48,159
i i got no new way to do it so here's

1913
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:49,759
the thing um

1914
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:52,560
we the earth formed 4.5 million 4.6

1915
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:55,520
million years ago billion years ago so

1916
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:58,159
in that time it's like what's a billion

1917
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:01,279
what's a million and you said 10 000 but

1918
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,239
i i i say people don't have the ability

1919
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,480
to recognize basically more than a

1920
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:07,920
thousand things

1921
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:10,719
as an example when the titanic sunk 1500

1922
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:11,920
people died

1923
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:12,960
well

1924
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:14,960
1500 people people couldn't really

1925
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,480
imagine that so what they did was they

1926
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:18,719
put 1500 people on the docks where the

1927
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:20,960
titanic left from and took that picture

1928
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:24,080
and that sunk in i see wow seeing the

1929
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:25,120
visual

1930
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:26,799
all right engages the eyes and the

1931
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:28,480
visual part of the brain and the

1932
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:30,239
intellectual part of the brain you need

1933
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:31,759
that double stimulus

1934
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:32,640
um

1935
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:37,040
i did this toilet paper thing i wanted

1936
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:38,480
to show people

1937
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:42,159
the scale of the universe and time so i

1938
01:09:46,309 --> 01:09:45,120
had this 120 foot roll

1939
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:46,319
um

1940
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:50,159
of toilet paper and i ended up creating

1941
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,960
the

1942
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:52,080
um

1943
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,440
history of the universe the history of

1944
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:55,600
the earth uh on it i started with the

1945
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:57,440
formation of the earth and led all the

1946
01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:58,960
way up to the other end of the toilet

1947
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:01,120
paper 120 feet away

1948
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:04,320
uh with us in that room

1949
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:07,840
and um lucy australopithecus afarensis

1950
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:09,120
was actually

1951
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:13,910
a line that was about a pencil line away

1952
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:15,520
from the present day

1953
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:17,199
at that scale

1954
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:18,880
you know a little more than the pencil

1955
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:20,880
line so

1956
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:23,520
it really was a way to show people that

1957
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:26,320
uh you know the earth history

1958
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:28,320
accelerated over time there was a lot of

1959
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:31,120
nothing going on for billions of years

1960
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:33,120
and then the dinosaurs came along and

1961
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:34,480
people think that's ancient history but

1962
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:35,600
it's not

1963
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:38,719
the dinosaurs were 18 inches

1964
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,400
18 inches from

1965
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:42,560
from from where we were

1966
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:44,640
at the end of that toilet paper

1967
01:10:48,510 --> 01:10:47,600
dinosaurs are just here 18 inches away

1968
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:48,520
amazing

1969
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:51,199
117 more feet to go

1970
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:52,239
see so

1971
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:53,520
um

1972
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:55,120
it really puts it in perspective you

1973
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:56,880
know dinosaurs are recent history not

1974
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,719
ancient history

1975
01:11:01,990 --> 01:11:00,719
it's really something and you and i had

1976
01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:02,000
a conversation

1977
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:03,199
recently

1978
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:06,159
when we were out in arizona

1979
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:08,239
and that was um

1980
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:10,239
and we don't really have to go into much

1981
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:12,320
but i want you to touch on a little bit

1982
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:15,920
you said the possibility if

1983
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:18,080
the dinosaurs didn't get wiped out their

1984
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,560
brains could have been growing

1985
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:22,400
larger and larger and they could they

1986
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,679
could have been in more of an

1987
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:25,679
intelligent species through evolution

1988
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,679
eventually possibly wait we're talking

1989
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:29,840
about the troodon

1990
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:33,600
t-r-o-o odon okay the truadan was a

1991
01:11:37,910 --> 01:11:36,080
creature that when it died there was

1992
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:37,920
evidence that its cranial capacity was

1993
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:39,679
increasing does that mean it was getting

1994
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:41,120
smarter

1995
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:42,400
maybe

1996
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,640
say from like the dumbest breed of dog

1997
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:46,640
that the smartest breeded dog

1998
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:48,719
okay i mean so nothing like magical like

1999
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,239
they're about to invent nuclear power or

2000
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:51,840
anything like that but

2001
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:52,640
um

2002
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:55,280
nuclear power

2003
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:56,239
um

2004
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:58,880
but the fact is the truadan ended up

2005
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:01,360
showing some kind of change that was

2006
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:04,800
interesting so that said

2007
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,719
we speculate and that's all it is a

2008
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:08,960
speculation of course that maybe if if

2009
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:11,760
we if the chick syllable impactor never

2010
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:16,149
then dinosaurs wouldn't have been wiped

2011
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,280
out

2012
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:19,040
we would never have become the dominant

2013
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:21,360
species again potentially

2014
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:22,640
um

2015
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:24,640
and then what would happen

2016
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:27,840
would we be intelligent reptilian

2017
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:29,520
creatures

2018
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,280
who knows

2019
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:33,600
okay right no i love it yeah the thing

2020
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:35,520
that's interesting is 252 million years

2021
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:37,040
ago was the permian period and during

2022
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:38,320
that period

2023
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:40,159
uh creatures that would become mammals

2024
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:42,880
were dominant until there was this great

2025
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:45,040
extinction event which killed 98 of life

2026
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:46,880
on earth probably

2027
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:49,360
from uh large-scale volcanic eruptions

2028
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:50,880
that raised the temperature on the earth

2029
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:55,040
by 21 degrees celsius huge in just a few

2030
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:56,320
months

2031
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:58,719
that's huge and no you know that that

2032
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:00,880
shut down all the ecosystems

2033
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:02,800
plankton died off

2034
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:06,159
and that killed off many many creatures

2035
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:07,760
but some survived

2036
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:09,280
and so the things that would become

2037
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:12,080
mammals basically went into hiding and

2038
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:14,080
evolved into smaller

2039
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:15,360
objects and smaller creatures that

2040
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:17,280
didn't require as much energy

2041
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:19,840
and then over time when the dinosaurs

2042
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:21,840
came along and although that was

2043
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:23,040
actually the beginning of the age of the

2044
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:24,719
dinosaurs actually when the permian

2045
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:28,000
period started and er ended and then

2046
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:31,120
after that when the dinosaurs ended well

2047
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:33,040
now those little creatures that would

2048
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:34,719
become mammals were still hiding in the

2049
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:36,000
shadows

2050
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:37,360
and there was all these niches that

2051
01:13:39,270 --> 01:13:38,400
opened up

2052
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:39,280
ooh

2053
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:40,719
i can go there now

2054
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:42,560
oh that food is amazing i can have that

2055
01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:44,800
food now or i'm gonna start doing this

2056
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:46,960
look at that and our oxygen levels our

2057
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:49,840
oxygen levels are great again hey

2058
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:52,080
we made the earth great again right so

2059
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,199
then they're going to go and they

2060
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:55,440
breathe this oxygen they off they go

2061
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:57,760
and they change and they evolve and they

2062
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:00,400
eventually become us i know i left out

2063
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:02,800
so many things in between but that's

2064
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:04,880
effectively how it was so what it shows

2065
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:07,040
me is that in general

2066
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:08,800
could we say and i can't say this is

2067
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:11,199
true but could we say that perhaps

2068
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:13,600
mammal like life is sort of like the

2069
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:16,159
norm on a planet is that like a template

2070
01:14:20,709 --> 01:14:17,600
because it was sort of like on its way

2071
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:20,719
to mammalian life back in the permian

2072
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:22,960
and then when the dinosaurs died off it

2073
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:25,360
became mammalian life again which is us

2074
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:27,520
so that's that's a strong

2075
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:29,360
thing that's a thing to think about not

2076
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:31,120
necessarily something to say and hang

2077
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:33,199
your hand on and say that's what it is

2078
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:35,920
right that could be a dominant

2079
01:14:41,430 --> 01:14:37,040
maybe

2080
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:41,440
awesome as always it's always fun

2081
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:43,280
talking to whether we're on air or off

2082
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:45,920
here now can you just once again throw

2083
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:48,080
how people can watch this on sunday

2084
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:50,800
around sunset you said uh what time

2085
01:14:54,149 --> 01:14:52,960
would that be eastern time

2086
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:54,159
okay

2087
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:59,120
at sunset and eastern eastern time um

2088
01:15:02,149 --> 01:15:00,320
let's see now

2089
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:02,159
seven something yeah let me uh let me

2090
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:04,400
just look here and give you an idea okay

2091
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:07,120
so the the eclipse is going to begin

2092
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:09,199
right uh

2093
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:10,719
at uh

2094
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:15,360
let's see 87 7 59 arizona time

2095
01:15:22,830 --> 01:15:16,960
uh

2096
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:22,840
10

2097
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:25,920
59 eastern time

2098
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:29,760
the total eclipse will be at 11 30 p.m

2099
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:31,120
eastern time

2100
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:33,120
and then uh

2101
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:35,440
from there it just fades off uh and and

2102
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,880
goes it takes the same amount of time to

2103
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:38,400
go on as it does to come off

2104
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:40,320
move out from behind the sun i go come

2105
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:41,760
out from behind the earth

2106
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:42,640
um

2107
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:44,080
and this is a total eclipse so we're

2108
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:46,480
gonna see a blood a blood moon again

2109
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:47,760
it's gonna be a blood red moon in the

2110
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:48,640
sky

2111
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:50,080
you're used to seeing a full moon at the

2112
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:51,920
full moon but this is going to be a

2113
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:53,360
blood red moon

2114
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:55,360
you could actually

2115
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,800
you could look for it in the sky and say

2116
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:00,000
where's the moon

2117
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:03,360
i saw one one lunar eclipse that was so

2118
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:05,040
so blood red

2119
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:07,199
that in mildly light polluted skies it

2120
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:09,199
was hard to find the moon

2121
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:10,320
pretty cool

2122
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:11,440
but we're going to have our telescopes

2123
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:14,000
on it that'll be uh sunday starting at

2124
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:17,920
uh 8 uh 8 pm 805 pm that's when we'll

2125
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:20,560
start but we have our kgra radio show

2126
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:23,040
sky tour radio which is our astronomy

2127
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:26,480
show from six to eight on kgra 68 pm

2128
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:27,760
eastern time

2129
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:29,600
and then right afterwards we're going to

2130
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:31,760
go into the stream and join the stream

2131
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:32,800
live

2132
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:35,440
excellent well i will put a link in the

2133
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:38,080
notes or a link in the text of this show

2134
01:16:41,189 --> 01:16:39,679
awesome i love

2135
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:41,199
seeing everybody out there you know we

2136
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:43,360
just love astronomy it's what we do

2137
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:45,679
yes and i love what you do mark thank

2138
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:48,159
you very much and thanks for being on

2139
01:16:51,910 --> 01:16:50,320
this show thank you so much all right

2140
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:51,920
and talk to you soon

2141
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:53,600
all right everyone so we have sean

2142
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:55,760
cahill on next week thank you so much

2143
01:17:01,010 --> 01:16:58,000
for tuning in and remember to keep your

2144
01:17:10,330 --> 01:17:01,020
eyes to the sky